- By Primo Levi

I sommersi e i salvati

  • Title: I sommersi e i salvati
  • Author: Primo Levi
  • ISBN: 9788806593087
  • Page: 496
  • Format: Paperback
  • I sommersi e i salvati Quali sono le strutture gerarchiche di un sistema autoritario e quali le tecniche per annientare la personalit di un individuo Quali rapporti si creano tra oppressori e oppressi Chi sono gli esseri ch

    Quali sono le strutture gerarchiche di un sistema autoritario e quali le tecniche per annientare la personalit di un individuo Quali rapporti si creano tra oppressori e oppressi Chi sono gli esseri che abitano la zona grigia della collaborazione Come si costruisce un mostro Era possibile capire dall interno la logica della macchina dello sterminio Era possibile ribQuali sono le strutture gerarchiche di un sistema autoritario e quali le tecniche per annientare la personalit di un individuo Quali rapporti si creano tra oppressori e oppressi Chi sono gli esseri che abitano la zona grigia della collaborazione Come si costruisce un mostro Era possibile capire dall interno la logica della macchina dello sterminio Era possibile ribellarsi E ancora come funziona la memoria di una esperienza estrema Le risposte dell autore di Se questo un uomo 1947 nel suo ultimo e per certi versi pi importante libro sui Lager nazisti.

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    1. CAMPO DI ANNIENTAMENTO A prima vista la Shoa appare materia senza grigio, senza sfumature: il bianco delle vittime, il nero dei carnefici.Ma è anche materia delicata come un castello di carte, perché, come dimostra Primo Levi in questa breve magnifica ulteriore riflessione sull’argomento, la zona grigia esiste eccome: è quella piega ambigua dello sterminio, si annida in quella schiera di persone che ha subito l’ulteriore oltraggio di essere sporcata dal proprio aguzzino.È una zona grigia [...]

    2. "The drowned and the saved" is a thoughtful, lucid reflection on the Holocaust phenomenon. Primo Levi tries to find answers for different aspects of the concentration camps. He explains the behavior of the inhabitants and of those who guard them. This book tries to explore the psychology of this tragedy, and to offer insight in the human condition. It is very different from his memoir Survival in Auschwitz (and his second book The Reawakening) which gave a more thorough, detailed account of his [...]

    3. An unrelentingly grim series of eight essays about the concentration camp experience, recommended only for true pessimists and those who think that Primo Levi is one of the very greatest writers about the Holocaust, which I do.One thing Primo Levi does for us is complicate things. He explains :Without profound simplification the world around us would be an infinite, undefined tangle that would defy our ability to orient ourselves and decide upon our actions. In short, we are compelled to reduce [...]

    4. The Drowned and the Saved"The drowned and the saved" is a thoughtful, lucid reflection on the Holocaust phenomenon. Primo Levi tries to find answers for different aspects of the concentration camps. He explains the behavior of the inhabitants and of those who guard them. This book tries to explore the psychology of this tragedy, and to offer insight in the human condition. It is very different from his memoir Survival in Auschwitz (and his second book The Reawakening) which gave a more thorough, [...]

    5. "Veramente si è indotti a pensare che, nel Terzo Reich, la scelta migliore, la scelta imposta dall'alto, fosse quella che comportava la massima afflizione, il massimo spreco di di sofferenza fisica e morale. Il nemico non doveva soltanto morire, ma morire nel tormento".E' un dovere leggere e rileggere le parole lucide e pacate di Primo Levi, e prestare la massima attenzione al suo ammonimento: " è avvenuto, quindi può accadere di nuovo".

    6. Levi's last book is about several things: - the necessity of witnessing to what happened in the Lager (camps), even though memory is fallible. Witnessing - telling the story - is not wholly possible, because those who have the truest vision did not survive. They reached bottom, and never came back.- the moral structure of the Lager - the gray zone in which some prisoners collaborated with the guards, which improved their position slightly and also meant they would have to inflict suffering on ot [...]

    7. It's really too bad that the whole art-about-the-Holocaust market in the U.S. has been cornered by sentimental war-is-bad treacle in the Life Is Beautiful mode. Because Primo Levi lays it down. What I admire most about Levi is his refusal to accept any of the easy answers that have been provided since the Shoah to "explain" the events that took place in Europe in the '30s and '40s. Instead of laying blame or bestowing forgiveness, he simply accepts historical events, and looks at how people beha [...]

    8. How in the world do I rate a book like this? I guess its four stars, because I didn’t find it to be quite as engaging as Night or Man's Search for Meaning, but it was still an un-put-down-able book. I’ll be reading more of Levi’s work, without a doubt. The voices of these Holocaust survivors become ever more important as attrition takes them from us and their story becomes doubted by some.The Drowned and the Saved is a powerful metaphor for the concentration camp experience. Those who emer [...]

    9. Riletto per non dimenticare. Crudeltà e orrori inimmaginabili vengono descritti in uno stile analitico, piano e pacato che rende il resoconto delle vicende vissute dall'autore e le sue considerazioni in merito ancora più toccanti, terribili e sconvolgenti. Bellissimo.

    10. A lucid and thoughtful examination of lingering questions about the meanings of the Holocaust 40 years after Levi survived his internment at Auschwitz, with the focus more on understanding than blame. He is well known for his compelling narrative of his experiences in "Survival in Auschwitz" and for his excellent account of the aftermath and long interlude in Russian hands in "The Reawakening". Here, in his last book before he died, he strives to makes sense of it all in a series of penetrating [...]

    11. This desire for simplification is justified, but the same does not always apply to simplification itself, which is a working hypothesis, useful as long as it is recognized as such and not mistaken for reality.Here, as with other phenomena, we are dealing with a paradoxical analogy between victim and oppressor, and we are anxious to be clear: both are in the same trap, but it is the oppressor, and [they] alone, who has prepared it and activated it, and if [they] suffer[] from this, it is right th [...]

    12. I felt compelled to read this (and other Holocaust literature) after the travesty that was the election of Donald Trump and the re-elevation of white supremacy and the entrenchment of Republican rule at all levels of government. Because it is not hyperbole to say that it *is* happening again now. I read this to try to figure some way that it might be stopped this time. But I don't think it can"It took place in the teeth of all forecasts it happened that an entire civilized people followed a buff [...]

    13. Five deep 5 starsPrimo Levi became a thinker and an intellectual after his experience as lager prisoner. He survived the Holocaust, but never acknowledged the reason why. He defined him self as a non believer and died the same way. Ironically, His books prove that he was wrong, because after all this time, the reason of his survival is undenieable: He lived to become a witness and give testimony to all of us, so we can learn, so we can avoid evilness and try to be tolerant, respectful and peacef [...]

    14. Primo Levi is best known today as the author of ‘If This is a Man’ and ‘The Truce’, a pair of memoirs which dealt respectively with his imprisonment in Auschwitz concentration camp and his subsequent long journey home to Italy after the liberation. Often published together, those books are (rightly) often regarded as two of the most important accounts of the holocaust and the immediate aftermath of the last war in Europe. His training and long career as a chemist inspired his writing and [...]

    15. In questi giorni mi sono dedicata ad ultimare la lettura de 'I sommersi e i salvati' perché ci tenevo a finire entro oggi.Questo titolo ha avuto un destino emblematico. Era quello scelto da Levi per la sua opera prima ( che l'editore poi cambiò in 'se questo è un uomo') ed è stato quello definitivo della sua ultima opera.'I sommersi e i salvati' apre e chiude il cerchio di una testimonianza letteraria e storica, si presenta come un binomio, ma si risolve in un equivalenza, nell'idea che l'op [...]

    16. lettura perenneQuesto libro non lo finirò mai.Perchè non riesco a leggerlo dall'inizio alla fine, ma sta lì, e ogni tanto lo apro a caso, e ogni pagina è densa di lacrime, di orrore, di pensieri, e di lucida analisi sull'uomo e le sue contraddizioni.Sta lì, sul comodino, a ricordarmi sempre il valore della libertà, che non si baratta con "qualcosa di buono fatto comunque" o con qualche riforma promessa, rischio di cui non siamo immuni anche oggi.Sta lì, come un'arma contro chi pensa di st [...]

    17. L’ultimo libro di Primo Levi, uscito nel 1946, è un saggio che si propone di tracciare un bilancio di quella parte della sua vita che fu dedicata alla memoria e alla testimonianza. Se pensiamo che Se questo è un uomo uscì nel 1947 e che l’autore si suicidò nella sua casa di Torino l’11 aprile 1987, è facile comprendere che a questo impegno fu sempre essenziale per Levi: in alcuni punti del libro si avverte l’intento di stabilire qualche punto fermo, di chiarire una volta per tutte a [...]

    18. This remarkable little book was so completely wonderful and soul-crushing and fascinating and thoughtful and utterly without pretension and I am in awe of Primo Levi's talent. There doesn't seem to be much of an overarching narrative or thesis to The Drowned and the Saved; rather, it reads more as a series of reflections on survival, on guilt, on culpability, on redemption. It is not sentimental and deals without restraint on uncomfortable topics like Jewish cooperation in the Nazi project, but [...]

    19. I have read this book and so far I am very happy. I loved how candid Primo Levi expressed his views. He hid his thoughts on what he thinks about the mental ability of the witnesses who saw, heard, and were tortured by Hitler in his campaign to eliminate all the jews from Germany. He raised an issue which has been the concern of many in the legal profession and from the law enforcement agencies. Witness protection has been a matter that most legal systems have been trying to achieve both at the n [...]

    20. Chissà quanta forza c’è voluta. Chissà quanta sofferenza è costata la stesura di questo saggio a Primo Levi. È un’analisi feroce, acuta, lucida, obiettiva. È un bisturi che lavora con precisione terrificante. Lavora sugli aguzzini e sulle vittime. Lavora sulla “zona grigia” composta di oppressi fatti oppressori, lavora su chi sapeva e ha taciuto, su chi vedeva e s’è finto cieco. Lavora sul senso di colpa del “salvato” cui pesa come macigno la domanda “perché io e non un a [...]

    21. Ci viene chiesto dai giovani tanto pi� spesso e tanto pi� insistentemente quanto pi� quel tempo si allontana, chi erano, di che stoffa erano fatti, i nostri "aguzzini". Il termine allude ai nostri ex-custodi delle SS, ma a mio parere � improprio: fa pensare a individui distorti, nati male, sadici, affetti da un vizio d'origine. Invece erano fatti dell nostra stessa stoffa, erano esseri umani medi, mediamente intelligenti, mediamente malvagi: salvo eccezioni, non erano mostri, avevano il [...]

    22. The third of a sort of Primo Levi Trilogy about Auschwitz and the holocaust, these books are really touching and teach a lot about the way people survived (or died) not only in the camps themselves, but also even after liberation.All sorts of "schemes" existed for those who wanted to stay alive, and the Author has a keen awareness that sometimes not all who survived were the "best" people, but those that somehow managed to find a way to stay alive.An incredible testimony.Maria Carmo,Lisbon, 15 A [...]

    23. Un lucido ragionare su fatti atrocemente vissuti, subiti dal protagonista di questo libro. Come scrive l'autore:"La vendetta non mi interessava A me spettava capire, capirli."

    24. "Nós sobreviventes somos uma minoria anómala além de exígua: somos os que, por prevaricação ou habilidade ou sorte, não tocaram o fundo. Quem o fez, quem viu a Górgona, não regressou para contar, ou regressou mudo; mas são eles, os que sucumbiram, as testemunhas integrais, aqueles cujo depoimento teria um significado geral. São eles a regra e nós a excepção." Os que sucumbem e os que se salvam é o livro de Primo Levi que encerra a Trilogia de Auschwitz, iniciada com Se Isto é um [...]

    25. Careful, complex, painful, and a great challenge (though certainly not the author's intent) to be the kind of person Levi was. That he suffered such horrors and came out with a sincere desire to understand what led to the Holocaust and what happened in the concentration camps, rather than giving into an easy hatred of *all* Germans, is astonishing and something I aspire to in my own significantly lighter struggles. I think "The Gray Zone" should be required reading for all ethics courses, and "T [...]

    26. There are many memoirs about the holocaust, but I'd argue that there are not many that are as intellectually stimulating, morally conflicting, thought-provoking and philosophically interesting as "The Drowned and the Saved." Levi--an Italian Jew who was captured and tortured after 1943 when the Nazis came to his native Turin, Italy--was sent to Auschwitz and subjected to all the horrors of the death camps. In this striking work, the author looks back many years later and writes a series of eight [...]

    27. If you are still thinking that America is like Nazi Germany after reading William Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, then there is no hope for you. But if you are a thoughtful, reflective person and sometimes wonder how it was that Germany went astray, then you might read this book. But, warning, you may find it discomfiting. SPOILER ALERTThere is a letter from a German at the end of the book that makes one think. The letter writer, a German who supported the Nazi Party, explains that [...]

    28. Per non dimenticare uno dei tanti orrori del XX secolo è di massima importanza leggere questo libro. Con uno stile chiaro e scorrevole questo breve libro ci scolpisce in mente tutte le riflessioni di Levi riguardo la sua terrificante esperienza nel Lager di Auschwitz-Monowitz, nelle quali sono trattati vari temi importanti e molto interessanti, spesso comunemente relegati in secondo piano nel racconto della tragedia dell'Olocausto: la violenza inutile, la memoria, l'incomunicabilità, la vergog [...]

    29. Wow. This novel is different from any other that I've read on the Holocaust, and I've read quite a few. Levi told his story through narrative in "Survival in Auschwitz" but in "The Drowned and the Saved," he's taking a look back at that and his other works, and his experience in general. This book is worth reading for everyone because of Levi's articulate and well-thought out points about the Holocaust, but especially insightful for someone who's been interested in the subject in a long time and [...]

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